Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:19 AM

Customer shoots two armed robbers at Internet cafe.

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http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120714/ARTICLES/120719763

The article is too long to post sections of it - too much stuff would be left out, so I will summarize.

The internet cafe had about 30 customers in it. At about 9:45PM two men wearing ski masks, (Both age 19.) one armed with a .45 handgun and the other with a baseball bat entered the cafe. They demanded that all the customers get down on the floor and take their wallets out. The one with the baseball bat smashed a computer. The guy with the gun turned to deal with the cashier, presenting his back to the customers, depending upon the robber with the bat to control the customers. One customer drew his own gun and opened fire, shooting multiple rounds, hitting one robber superficially in the arm, the other robber twice in the butt - once each cheek. They were arrested when they went to a friend's house to get medical treatment. (The friend called the police.)

The shooter will not be charged, police said.

Hours after his release from the hospital, Henderson, who talked about the pain he feels in his buttock and hip, said the plan was to "barge in, get the money and leave." He said "he never expected anyone to be armed."

IIRC, FL has about 3% of the adult population that has CCW. If one assumes about 30 adults in the place then there is about a 65% probability that someone will be armed.

"The gun was broken and rusty and wasn't loaded. Nobody was going to get hurt," he said, standing with crutches.

So what? He did a very good job of convincing some of the customers (probably all) that he was armed and dangerous to their lives.

The CCWer did not hit any innocent people.

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Customer shoots two armed robbers at Internet cafe. (Original post)	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	OP
What a couple of morons.	permatex	Jul 2012	#1
two dumbass nineteen y/o did a very stupid, stupid thing. a fucking ball bat!	Tuesday Afternoon	Jul 2012	#2
Probably to go buy a gun that worked	permatex	Jul 2012	#3
I wonder if they were high on drugs or trying to get money for drugs. where are their parents?	Tuesday Afternoon	Jul 2012	#4
In a land of hoyts,	HALO141	Jul 2012	#112
I am waiting to hear from those that will say	oneshooter	Jul 2012	#5
You forgot about the can of pork and beans and the bicycle wheel...	rl6214	Jul 2012	#7
Only you and hoyt would carry such things into a Internet Cafe.	oneshooter	Jul 2012	#8
Why would I carry a can of pork and beans and a bicycle wheel into an Internet Cafe?	rl6214	Jul 2012	#56
Because you mentioned it first.	oneshooter	Jul 2012	#57
No, actually hoyt mentioned it first in a thread weeks ago, I'm just replaying it	rl6214	Jul 2012	#58
Well maybe he should have only shot the baseball-bat-carrying robber once.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jul 2012	#48
No good. He was unarmed (A bat doesn't count as a weapon, has to be a gun)	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#50
It is ridiculous that in 2012 in a supposedly modern nation these sorts of things still happen	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#6
Well played, sir or madam...well played!	Lizzie Poppet	Jul 2012	#9
Where did the rest of our cowboy's bullets land?	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#10
Didn't read the article did you.	Clames	Jul 2012	#11
Oh I read article -- guy had inoperable gun, another a bat -- cowboy out to save his ass opened fire	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#14
Who cares if the gun was inoperable? He walked in with it.	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#16
In the world of hoyt	permatex	Jul 2012	#18
Heh	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#20
Heh Heh	thelordofhell	Jul 2012	#52
I know, creed of gun culture: never miss opportunity to shoot living targets AND	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#62
Creed of Hoyt: never miss an opportunity to misrepresent and falsely accuse.	Clames	Jul 2012	#69
It would seem to be what he does best.	permatex	Jul 2012	#70
Trolling or he thinks he is his post count here.	Clames	Jul 2012	#71
"Prove it."	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#73
Thats not hard at all	permatex	Jul 2012	#75
Shiite, even Weaver -- with "I gotta go to the bathroom, bad" -- does better than that.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#78
Sorry Hoyt	permatex	Jul 2012	#80
The only thing you've "proven" would get my post hidden if I mentioned it.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#82
Struck a nerve didn't I?	permatex	Jul 2012	#84
"Sometimes things are clear without the need to study them"	friendly_iconoclast	Jul 2012	#92
You actually produce a link or proof?	permatex	Jul 2012	#17
hoyt you are soooooo predictable. See post#5.	oneshooter	Jul 2012	#39
We should have a running pool on reponse times....	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#53
One shooter, if you had been there, would you have opened up with that many misses endangering	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#77
And the LEGAL CCW'er knew that how?	permatex	Jul 2012	#83
Were you there? If he had hit innocent bystander, what would say?	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#90
But he didn't did he?	permatex	Jul 2012	#91
So now you do remote sensing, too? I've read about people like you:	friendly_iconoclast	Jul 2012	#87
If the bystanders were in just as much danger	MainlyLurking	Jul 2012	#95
Good, go blasting away in the same situation. Responsible gunners would question your shooting,	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#96
Didn't answer the question didja?	permatex	Jul 2012	#99
You weren't there either. All you know is gun involved, so you are happy whatever gun toter did.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#100
I'd say he did a pretty good job at shooting straight.	permatex	Jul 2012	#102
"He perceived a deadly threat." Well, Permatex, maybe he was wrong -- gun lovers are many times.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#103
In this case he wasn't now, was he?	permatex	Jul 2012	#105
And that's the nub of the gist, claimed powers of remote sensing aside...	friendly_iconoclast	Jul 2012	#116
Hoyt, are you perchance Jim Channon? If so, it would explain a lot...	friendly_iconoclast	Jul 2012	#119
Careful with permatex	bongbong	Jul 2012	#151
No threat at all	permatex	Jul 2012	#161
Thou Protesteth Too Much	bongbong	Jul 2012	#163
I rest my case.	permatex	Jul 2012	#167
LOL	bongbong	Jul 2012	#175
A police officer would have shot him right then and there as well.	AtheistCrusader	Jul 2012	#154
How do you define "many"? n/t	NewMoonTherian	Jul 2012	#164
Maybe he should have	sarisataka	Jul 2012	#123
"...would you have opened up with that many misses endangering innocent bystanders?"	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#109
Two each, COM, and stand ready to continue.	oneshooter	Jul 2012	#144
You'll never know, but I'm sure I and others could have found a way to handle these clowns	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#146
Yeah	permatex	Jul 2012	#147
Might have just popped a bag and watch em mess the floor.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#149
Cheering, no	permatex	Jul 2012	#150
Well Hoyt, your always complaining about people stuffing a gun or two down their pants	permatex	Jul 2012	#168
She could probably keep me off this group for awhile. We just wouldn't do gun talk.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#169
Google funny gun control signs.	permatex	Jul 2012	#170
I gotta admit, if you can't walk out of your house without a gun, that is way it should be carried.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#171
At least she wouldn't have to worry about shooting a pecker off.	permatex	Jul 2012	#172
Yeah, let us know if you ever face down some punk with a .45 in his hand.	AtheistCrusader	Jul 2012	#153
His gun held 6 rounds. Hit an arm, and two halves of an ass.	AtheistCrusader	Jul 2012	#152
Oh dear....	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#55
I read the story. there were no cowboys present.	Tuesday Afternoon	Jul 2012	#126
Our "cowboy" took chances with people's lives to save himself.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#127
what do you call bat boy? indian? your attitude toward human life shows little respect for anyone -	Tuesday Afternoon	Jul 2012	#129
I miss WWN sigh n/t	sarisataka	Jul 2012	#130
always grabbed one in the line at the grocery store, yeah -	Tuesday Afternoon	Jul 2012	#133
Exactly, so folks need to leave guns at home.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#137
and what about ballbats??? and if these RUDE boys had not showed their ass we would never known	Tuesday Afternoon	Jul 2012	#139
I've got the feeling that it wouldn't matter what the situation was.	permatex	Jul 2012	#136
So you're inside his head now? You know he wasn't trying to save all the other people in the room?	AtheistCrusader	Jul 2012	#155
So Hoyt	permatex	Jul 2012	#162
A Florida cowboy would	gejohnston	Jul 2012	#128
I know about gun toters.	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#138
As a former armed robber you know about illegal gun toters, legal ones you don't know about. N/ZT	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#141
LOL	permatex	Jul 2012	#143
The only reason Hoyt is here is to disrupt, misrepresent, outright lie,	permatex	Jul 2012	#15
"Prove it."	Hoyt	Jul 2012	#74
See post #75	permatex	Jul 2012	#76
How many rounds did he fire?	Meiko	Jul 2012	#35
A nunnery, a kindergarten, and a refuge for orphaned puppies	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#40
He musta had one of those 100,000 round extended magazines I've been hearing about n/t	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#41
Worse, he had one of those shoulder things that goes up	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#44
Wow. Does that have heat seeking bullets? n/t	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#46
Of course. How else could it be expected to only hit women and children?	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#47
Not only heat seeking, but can discern gender and age. Impressive. n/t	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#49
Good thing all the rounds	Meiko	Jul 2012	#79
Rude toter....hateful to society.	ileus	Jul 2012	#12
Not bad, but could use some more stress training. n/t	oneshooter	Jul 2012	#13
Why was no attempt made to disarm the robbers?	SecularMotion	Jul 2012	#19
Where in the world do you get the idea that LE duty is to disarm first?	permatex	Jul 2012	#21
Can you believe this? n/t	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#23
Sadly	permatex	Jul 2012	#24
So if LE had arrived and found 2 suspects with guns and one with a bat	SecularMotion	Jul 2012	#26
Yes.	permatex	Jul 2012	#27
Can you prove, with links, you have two relatives who are cops?	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#28
LOL	permatex	Jul 2012	#32
Then any CCWer who pulls his weapon at a crime scene	SecularMotion	Jul 2012	#29
Any legal carrier that pulls his/her weapon with cops on the scene	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#30
I hope you didn't hurt yourself reaching for that goalpost.	permatex	Jul 2012	#31
Don't you know some DU'ers are brave enough to approach legal carriers, disarm them,	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#34
Don't forget this gem	permatex	Jul 2012	#37
Sure. Cops shoot undercover cops.	TPaine7	Jul 2012	#33
Yes, most CCW carriers do indeed think of that.	Lizzie Poppet	Jul 2012	#67
Do your CCW permit classes teach you to shoot first or to demand a suspect drop their weapon?	SecularMotion	Jul 2012	#81
Why would you announce youself first?	permatex	Jul 2012	#85
That's not really the sort of thing they teach, actually.	Lizzie Poppet	Jul 2012	#88
The actions would be up to the carrier	sarisataka	Jul 2012	#93
Thanks for your response. I agree with all your points.	SecularMotion	Jul 2012	#97
You seemed to ask an honest question	sarisataka	Jul 2012	#124
Not that I disagree with your pros/cons breakdown	HALO141	Jul 2012	#118
I considered it third party	sarisataka	Jul 2012	#121
Yeah, I figured.	HALO141	Jul 2012	#125
Why the hell would I want to turn a shootING into a shootOUT?!?	HALO141	Jul 2012	#117
If the weapon had been operable, the shooter would have been going up against a	AtheistCrusader	Jul 2012	#159
You should take the class and find out for yourself	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#166
This is also why it's important to stay on the phone with the dispatcher....	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#111
Agreed. And that, in turn, is a selling point for handguns over shotguns for home defense.	Lizzie Poppet	Jul 2012	#145
Do you even consider not letting your imagination run away with you?	Clames	Jul 2012	#120
Yes, that can and has happened.	AtheistCrusader	Jul 2012	#158
The police very rarely arrive while the crime is being committed.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#165
The one with the gun, you bet.	AtheistCrusader	Jul 2012	#157
Silly permatex... From TV, of course! n/t	HALO141	Jul 2012	#115
Sure, attempt to disarm a bad guy with a gun in the middle of a heinous crime	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#22
You forgot the sarcasm thingy... Some folks might think you actually believe that if you attempt	TPaine7	Jul 2012	#25
Plus, don't overlook an opportunity to ask: "Why was no attempt made to fire a warning shot?"	AnotherMcIntosh	Jul 2012	#36
- Snort -	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#42
Please show me where that is written.	oneshooter	Jul 2012	#38
Ask other DU'ers, that'll be proof n/t	shadowrider	Jul 2012	#43
See that's the problem, they (cops) are law abiding citizens	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#45
Oh dear....	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#54
Wrong again.	Clames	Jul 2012	#98
disarm a fucking ball bat?? tell me how. I am all ears. that is the rudest goddamn thing I can	Tuesday Afternoon	Jul 2012	#131
Private civilians are never held to the same standard as a police officer.	AtheistCrusader	Jul 2012	#156
Batman wasn't there.	Tejas	Jul 2012	#160
Lots of replies from the gun-religionists	bongbong	Jul 2012	#51
We all bow to your expertise...	TPaine7	Jul 2012	#60
Very good	bongbong	Jul 2012	#63
Back?!!	TPaine7	Jul 2012	#64
What grade are you in now?	AnotherMcIntosh	Jul 2012	#65
No one who makes infantile posts like your "type with one hand" twaddle...	Lizzie Poppet	Jul 2012	#68
Infantile?	bongbong	Jul 2012	#72
The concept of irony pretty much passes you by, dunnit?	Lizzie Poppet	Jul 2012	#86
Yes!	bongbong	Jul 2012	#106
And logic as well, evidently.	Lizzie Poppet	Jul 2012	#107
So do you have anything constructive to add?	permatex	Jul 2012	#108
Oh, I think I'm a pretty tough guy	permatex	Jul 2012	#89
Why don't you show us how	permatex	Jul 2012	#66
that's what You get for thinking.	Tuesday Afternoon	Jul 2012	#132
Horror in Texas: Father shoots four kids, wife, kills self	bowens43	Jul 2012	#59
Off topic. Not related to the actual post.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jul 2012	#61
Please don't disrupt the thread	sarisataka	Jul 2012	#94
So if the father had used	marsis	Jul 2012	#104
that deserves it own OP - shall we talk about the underlying cause and stressors in this man's life?	Tuesday Afternoon	Jul 2012	#135
Probability is about 60% that at least one person will have a CCW with n = 30	jody	Jul 2012	#101
I will accept your calculations.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#110
If criminals had a better background in statistics....	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#113
My guess is that they were going by stereotype than statistics.	gejohnston	Jul 2012	#140
Love the way the butt-shot crim tries to portray himself as a victim.	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#114
It's a shame the customer wasn't a better shot.	Higgs boson	Jul 2012	#122
Welcome to DU.... and I don't know why but the name Higgs Bison popped into	2on2u	Jul 2012	#134
No sir	OriginalGeek	Jul 2012	#142
I'm going to agree with you	permatex	Jul 2012	#148
Well, the upshot (so to speak) was a net positive, but there's a big chance the criminals will get	Higgs boson	Jul 2012	#176
The video shows him shooting as they are running away	SecularMotion	Jul 2012	#173
They could've had grenades.	Tejas	Jul 2012	#174
I'm sitting in that very internet cafe	gejohnston	Jul 2012	#177

Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:31 AM

permatex (1,299 posts)

1. What a couple of morons.

Glad no innocent customers were injured.
Now they'll, (hopefully) do some hard time for armed robbery, and an xtra 25 years for being idiots.

Can't wait to hear about how the armed customer was a "gun totin cowboy who practiced his quick draw in front of a mirror and then shoved a gun or two down his pants and then walked out of his house with the intention of shooting someone so he could become judge, jury, and executioner".

Love those Archives.

Customer shoots two armed robbers at Internet cafe.

1. What a couple of morons.

2. two dumbass nineteen y/o did a very stupid, stupid thing. a fucking ball bat!

3. Probably to go buy a gun that worked

4. I wonder if they were high on drugs or trying to get money for drugs. where are their parents?

112. In a land of hoyts,

5. I am waiting to hear from those that will say

7. You forgot about the can of pork and beans and the bicycle wheel...

8. Only you and hoyt would carry such things into a Internet Cafe.

56. Why would I carry a can of pork and beans and a bicycle wheel into an Internet Cafe?

57. Because you mentioned it first.

58. No, actually hoyt mentioned it first in a thread weeks ago, I'm just replaying it

48. Well maybe he should have only shot the baseball-bat-carrying robber once.

50. No good. He was unarmed (A bat doesn't count as a weapon, has to be a gun)

6. It is ridiculous that in 2012 in a supposedly modern nation these sorts of things still happen

9. Well played, sir or madam...well played!

10. Where did the rest of our cowboy's bullets land?

11. Didn't read the article did you.

14. Oh I read article -- guy had inoperable gun, another a bat -- cowboy out to save his ass opened fire

16. Who cares if the gun was inoperable? He walked in with it.

18. In the world of hoyt

20. Heh

52. Heh Heh

62. I know, creed of gun culture: never miss opportunity to shoot living targets AND

69. Creed of Hoyt: never miss an opportunity to misrepresent and falsely accuse.

70. It would seem to be what he does best.

71. Trolling or he thinks he is his post count here.

73. "Prove it."

75. Thats not hard at all

78. Shiite, even Weaver -- with "I gotta go to the bathroom, bad" -- does better than that.

80. Sorry Hoyt

82. The only thing you've "proven" would get my post hidden if I mentioned it.

84. Struck a nerve didn't I?

92. "Sometimes things are clear without the need to study them"

17. You actually produce a link or proof?

39. hoyt you are soooooo predictable. See post#5.

53. We should have a running pool on reponse times....

77. One shooter, if you had been there, would you have opened up with that many misses endangering

83. And the LEGAL CCW'er knew that how?

90. Were you there? If he had hit innocent bystander, what would say?

91. But he didn't did he?

87. So now you do remote sensing, too? I've read about people like you:

95. If the bystanders were in just as much danger

96. Good, go blasting away in the same situation. Responsible gunners would question your shooting,

99. Didn't answer the question didja?

100. You weren't there either. All you know is gun involved, so you are happy whatever gun toter did.

102. I'd say he did a pretty good job at shooting straight.

103. "He perceived a deadly threat." Well, Permatex, maybe he was wrong -- gun lovers are many times.

105. In this case he wasn't now, was he?

116. And *that's* the nub of the gist, claimed powers of remote sensing aside...

119. Hoyt, are you perchance Jim Channon? If so, it would explain a lot...

151. Careful with permatex

161. No threat at all

163. Thou Protesteth Too Much

167. I rest my case.

175. LOL

154. A police officer would have shot him right then and there as well.

164. How do you define "many"? n/t

123. Maybe he should have

109. "...would you have opened up with that many misses endangering innocent bystanders?"

144. Two each, COM, and stand ready to continue.

146. You'll never know, but I'm sure I and others could have found a way to handle these clowns

147. Yeah

149. Might have just popped a bag and watch em mess the floor.

150. Cheering, no

168. Well Hoyt, your always complaining about people stuffing a gun or two down their pants

169. She could probably keep me off this group for awhile. We just wouldn't do gun talk.

170. Google funny gun control signs.

171. I gotta admit, if you can't walk out of your house without a gun, that is way it should be carried.

172. At least she wouldn't have to worry about shooting a pecker off.

153. Yeah, let us know if you ever face down some punk with a .45 in his hand.

152. His gun held 6 rounds. Hit an arm, and two halves of an ass.

55. Oh dear....

126. I read the story. there were no cowboys present.

127. Our "cowboy" took chances with people's lives to save himself.

129. what do you call bat boy? indian? your attitude toward human life shows little respect for anyone -

130. I miss WWN *sigh* n/t

133. always grabbed one in the line at the grocery store, yeah -

137. Exactly, so folks need to leave guns at home.

139. and what about ballbats??? and if these RUDE boys had not showed their ass we would never known

116. And that's the nub of the gist, claimed powers of remote sensing aside...

130. I miss WWN sigh n/t