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In the discussion thread: ###Official change-of-SoP of the Gun Control & RKBA Group### [View all]

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 02:36 PM

58. Pro-RKBA is not pro-carry. Nice try.

Most Dems support RKBA, but are not pro-carry. Most of us do not interpret 2A as a license to carry a loaded handgun everywhere. I support 2A, as it was written and intended, not how a RW SCOTUS interprets it. That's one of the basic differences between being a progressive liberal and a right-wing libertarian. One puts society and the greater good first and the second puts the individual first, regardless of any societal damage. The first is progressive and the second is regressive and reactionary.
I understand the struggle of Dems who have bought into this belief that we are somehow better off with an armed populace. It can't be easy. I know lots of Dems who own guns, love to hunt, keep one handy for home defense. I don't know one who would carry a gun to church or the mall.

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80 replies	Author	Time	Post
###Official change-of-SoP of the Gun Control & RKBA Group### [View all]	krispos42	Jun 2012	OP
Allow me to be the first.	OffWithTheirHeads	Jun 2012	#1
One thought, though: if #2 and #3 together get more votes than #1 or #4, should	petronius	Jun 2012	#2
Hmmm.... good point.	krispos42	Jun 2012	#3
Change is progressive.	ileus	Jun 2012	#4
If you wish to	safeinOhio	Jun 2012	#5
I agree. n/t	NewMoonTherian	Jun 2012	#7
I wouldn't have any issue with that.	Kaleva	Jun 2012	#8
I suggest a poll	safeinOhio	Jun 2012	#9
You might need to contact skinner about that idea.	Kaleva	Jun 2012	#10
It looks like that functionality just became available	petronius	Jun 2012	#22
That's something that the Admins can do. I cannot.	krispos42	Jun 2012	#11
I enjoy general gun chat, but I'd rather have it somewhere else.	Glaug-Eldare	Jun 2012	#6
I agree wholeheartedly.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#18
There are a few who are lobbying	Meiko	Jun 2012	#12
The best way to save this group	safeinOhio	Jun 2012	#13
This group needs no saving. Its doing fine.	aikoaiko	Jun 2012	#29
That's been going on since I've been a member of DU and perhaps even much longer.	Kaleva	Jun 2012	#14
There are plenty of gun forums that cover many aspects of firearms.	bluerum	Jun 2012	#15
this one is fairly good.	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#16
I was expecting better from the sig forum.	ileus	Jun 2012	#17
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tuesday Afternoon	Jun 2012	#21
I think the SOP should be changed & the RKBA forum should be treated like any other Rights forum...	OneTenthofOnePercent	Jun 2012	#19
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tuesday Afternoon	Jun 2012	#20
This is exactly what I hoped for all along.	Atypical Liberal	Jun 2012	#23
Kick	rrneck	Jun 2012	#24
Second that idea.	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jun 2012	#31
This looks like it could be a nail biter!	Kaleva	Jun 2012	#25
Have you consulted the Admins about any of this?	ellisonz	Jun 2012	#26
The poll is to see if a majority of regulars support a change to the SOP	Kaleva	Jun 2012	#27
This looks a heck of a lot like "full speed ahead"	ellisonz	Jun 2012	#28
Do whatcha gotta do bro.	OriginalGeek	Jun 2012	#30
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Tuesday Afternoon	Jun 2012	#32
What exactly bothers you so much about ...	aikoaiko	Jun 2012	#34
It's because he don't know anything about them.	oneshooter	Jun 2012	#36
That's not what DU has ever been about in the past. n/t	ellisonz	Jun 2012	#41
Many Democrats own guns.	Kaleva	Jun 2012	#42
There are thousands of sites where you obsess over guns.	ellisonz	Jun 2012	#72
This is Democratic Underground	Kaleva	Jun 2012	#73
Ok	aikoaiko	Jun 2012	#45
Still tryin' t'be a playah...	rrneck	Jun 2012	#33
No.	krispos42	Jun 2012	#44
Welcome back! Hope your drive was safe and pleasant...	petronius	Jun 2012	#53
Gas gauge got stuck	krispos42	Jun 2012	#61
"or of petitioning the Admins for a SoP change."	ellisonz	Jun 2012	#54
I'm planning on formally posting in meta...	krispos42	Jun 2012	#62
Why not start a new group for "Gun Enthusiast"?	Starboard Tack	Jun 2012	#35
or add some traffic to outdoor life or sports.	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#37
Lots of good points, as usual	Starboard Tack	Jun 2012	#39
I wouldn't have an issue with prohibiting the posting of pictures of guns	Kaleva	Jun 2012	#40
This message was self-deleted by its author	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#38
See reply #44.	krispos42	Jun 2012	#46
Your desperation is showing Starboard Tack.	aikoaiko	Jun 2012	#49
Pro-RKBA is not pro-carry. Nice try.	Starboard Tack	Jun 2012	#58
Umm no,	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#59
More desperation: license to carry a loaded handun EVERYWHERE!!!111!!	aikoaiko	Jun 2012	#60
"I'm a right of center Democrat" says it all. It's a big tent. We need you.	Starboard Tack	Jun 2012	#63
That's funny because I meant to write left of center.	aikoaiko	Jun 2012	#64
Sure, the bans on ownership are pointless anyway. Pure tokenism.	Starboard Tack	Jun 2012	#65
"Gun Enthusiasm" is discussion of RKBA and Gun Control.	aikoaiko	Jun 2012	#50
I agree. Also, I stole your idea in a new OP. Sorry!	DanTex	Jun 2012	#51
My opinion is that a single, inclusive Group to talk about all aspects of	petronius	Jun 2012	#52
Allowing technical topics will dilute the forum from the discussion of legal rights	SkatmanRoth	Jun 2012	#43
Quite the opposite- many laws are based on technical aspects of guns	aikoaiko	Jun 2012	#47
The example of Rep McCarthy is about laws concerning guns	SkatmanRoth	Jun 2012	#66
True, but understanding firearms better in the first place may lead to fewer silly laws...	aikoaiko	Jun 2012	#68
I cringe at the thought of 'Lounge' like activities when I want to know about ownership rights	SkatmanRoth	Jun 2012	#69
One could argue that the AWB was a disaster because of the lack of knowledge about guns	Kaleva	Jun 2012	#48
Yes, the AWB was a law that confused cosmetic features with functionality	SkatmanRoth	Jun 2012	#67
The proposed extension has nothing to do with "Justice & Public Safety"	muriel_volestrangler	Jun 2012	#55
I don't think you could put discusions about guns for self defense under "Recreation"	Kaleva	Jun 2012	#56
On the other hand, an inclusive group in J & PS reiterates that the main focus	petronius	Jun 2012	#57
kick	aikoaiko	Jun 2012	#70
The two-group option seems to be the better option.	ManiacJoe	Jun 2012	#71
I find the two group option interesting	Kaleva	Jun 2012	#74
kick-about 12 hours to go.	Kaleva	Jun 2012	#75
I might have been willing to support the two-group option, if only its supporters hadn't stooped to	Common Sense Party	Jun 2012	#76
I would suggest though, that those with 'Two-groups' as their first choice should	petronius	Jun 2012	#77
Expand the SoP in a different way	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jun 2012	#78
You were about the only one supporting such an idea during the 1st poll	Kaleva	Jun 2012	#79
I will start a poll asking if others can accept this:	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jun 2012	#80

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